East Providence Planning Board 8/20/24

if then it's not an active document so I I would suggest that that's something that we need to put right there up in front who a comprehensive um I had revisions in the introduction now I don't know if you want me to bring them forward now or would be simpler if we just talked about the issues and we could set up a commity of we willing to sit down with the planning

department directly and and hash those out because otherwise these people probably want home before midnight right I'm sure there's a couple speeches they want he maybe right better than my speech so um I'll ask the chairman do you want to start seaing through or do you want um focus on well uh so you're saying you have upwards of a thousand proposed changes um I does it look like that

much talking a lot of stuff is just grammatical Regents I won't errors because one person's opinion versus another but what concerned was um if they're not clean they don't send the right mage message right case and um if you look at the introduction one two three four five six line down um say the page one where we want to go and how we're going to get there or as we can say uh and where

we've been and what we need to do to get there which is a more complete statement of what you're doing at the conference to plan so Eric let me ask you a question just so that I can try to figure out the cleanest way I think to handle it because clearly every member of this planning board their comments their questions are valuable and should be and should be uh should be good so your changes are in

handwriting is that right and they were they've been submitted already to the plan they were submitted the last two weeks okay and some of them a little messy I didn't want the train com back and the plan Department have you had an opportunity to review some are all and figure out where you landed on them yeah for the most part okay then I would suggest because otherwi if if this

doesn't happen and the other members of the planning board are going to be in the dark I would suggest that it would probably make the most sense to to have a second meeting of the planning board and prior that second meeting make sure that the version with Mr Crook's comments and edits on it are made available to every number of planning for uh and then you know they if if if they're stylistic and people feel

they don't matter then that's fine if they think they're better than what was originally proposed then that's fine and substantive things maybe I don't how many substantive changes do you think Eric I I think there are only two subst changes that that I you think we ought to be discussing and hashing out okay so I definely think you should bring those up raise flag appropriate for discussion

amongst the members before we can do that but I don't I don't know how else to try to uh you know in a reasonable way have everybody go through what sounds like some 99 stylistic changes I I agree I I didn't want I wanted to figure out effici get I don't want if you think they're improving the plan you know me the plan if you want me to sit down with you or have a committee

willing sit down with you I'm you know I'm happy to do that just you know tell tell me when and I'll I can say for myself I'm probably you know I mean convinced it's a draft you know I can always be to that but I don't I don't think members of the planning are going to want to adopt wholesale revisions stylistically to the document without having seen them

so I I just I feel like the best thing to do would be give her an opportunity to see um can that appreciate so that raises the question of you know uh how's everybody's availability to you know reconvene say in a week and and do this again I obviously not going to cut anybody else off I want to hear what all's comments are I do want to hear your substantive comments Eric uh

but our members of the board available if we if we if we try to put a meeting you know we from night say to to review those fairly substantial edits that Eric is

proposing is that all right with the staff if we kind of tentatively plan to do something like that see where the rest of the night goes yeah that's that's just double check that there not some other meeting that night we want to get this done obviously but this is an important issue it's it's you this is really an important document so it's important we give it all the consideration that's due and

anybody that wants in trouble to to heavily comment on I'd like to see i' like everybody to see it Monday next Monday check this room but okay and just I'm sure back changes are CC everybody can't comment online there's no discussion not risk violating in any fashion but everyone have and discuss at next meeting Wednesday or Thursday as long as you can be staff staff make okay so

I and really possible for staff come on comments to be transmitted a simar to it if you have them I don't done but if you have position on any of proposals let's crystallize that if we can yeah I know some of them mistakes that fix a lot more yeah all right Erica does that work for you that's fine that's fine I much appreciate I didn't want to keep everybody here all night asking whether

you're supposed to say this you know you want to for us issues that we can talk about level well the first one and I don't think we need the page but um yes if we look at page 19 and we're in the Housing section um you know we talk about uh the load of moderate income housing and I think the commitment that we make in this section uh I'll just say it's too

open-ended we have a state guideline at 10% and I think we should be proud of the fact that we are at or near that number already right I think the last not record was 9% um but in the way we write the tone in this I think we're saying we're willing to go way up and be and over with that affordable housing goal now that's a loable um objective but when you also look at the

next you think of Economic Development I think you need tax balance here right and so I would say that we need to say that we want to maintain that goal of being at or near the state requirement and then you can put in paren currently 10% I think if we don't do that it doesn't mean that we can't over that but it also says that we understand where the Baseline

is I think one of the concerns I had as I read we don't we don't have data example for barington right I am sure their moderate number is half right at best I don't think it's that bad okay well but what I'm saying is most of the state right has not met that 10% require or let mandate right um and I think for us to insinuate that we're willing to go so far above and

beyond right I think that kind of conflicts with our non vable so I think we should basically say we're interested in complying staying in compliance how does it comp understand well if you look at the language we don't we don't indicate that we've already met you know or just about sure so what I'm seeing is we understand the state mandate is 10% yeah and we intend to meet that obligation right um I think that that

goes far enough in how we handle this section so you want to go above the it's not saying I'm not saying that that no we see a project that we really like right um and it's affordable or low low income housing right I don't want to have our hands tied to accepting that if we're already at that 10% I want us to be able to say yes this project has Merit right and we

would we would include it okay or we would prove it um but I don't really think we want to commit to making this openend goal can you focus on language you're talking about yeah it's GNA be hard to find section it's um

begin I mean the topage 20 so so 20 so weite um ensure whole econ benefits When housing is quote affordable whether it is low moderate income or just afford to be based on your income maintaining you're exceeding the 10% of the city housing stock at lower honor income means that as a market as Market as the market rate prices for housing go up and down e Providence has a hor of homes that will

stay AB for the long term 10% is the Su arrary number statistically speaking as known about 15% of households in these Province serve severely cost burdens which means they spend more than 50% of their income on housing so the need for low income housing therefore really exceeds 10% I well is that what you're refering to well when I guess when you're saying that the 10% is somewhat arbitrary number it's the

state's number we're arbitrary it is yes statutory and they've copied from massach I mean there a whole history right but next year right it is a mandatory thing it is it is a regat so well I'm saying so I would change that to say that it's a regulatory requirement and as the chairman is pointing out saying currently 10% right but this this plan is gon be effect for years I think the theare is trying to

express the housing need is more just 10% affordable the need of the residents Providence is more than just 10% household more than 10% households need more housing I that's what this was trying to say so that's why it's suggesting going above the 10% because does that makes sense the statistics say that 15% of households in the city spend more than 50 of their income just on the cost of housing right

well I I mean my my point is is really comes around to the you know saying that it's arbitrary it's the state requir I can change that sentence for sure yeah I think that I when I look at that and I say well we have all these other goals right and and I don't want us to give other give developers the sense that the only thing that we're interested in is okay because then they may be

thinking of coming inel that we might find to be very attractive but they'll go down the road so I want I want it to clear that we comply with the state reir which we do has that happen I mean I don't know if there's been sense from the Department you know looking at the whole housing chapter it's clear that City's interested that sentence could be sharpened 10% requirement arbitrary number due to

theability or something like that chap to try to express desire to the situation right mention that 10% requirement but it is arbitrary you if someone in the state ago said other states but 10% necessarily but but that's a biger issue that's a state issue I mean if you're saying that that the state's 10 position is arbitrary right but what we're saying is we're comping with the 10% you know we're

doing the right thing in that right um I don't think you want to be in the position to preach to state that there're being you know unreasonable arbitrary I don't mean arbitrary in that sense and I don't think the plan does as you know silly capricious but it's arbitrary in that in the sense that most regulations especially zations are arbitrary in the sense that we know why should a house be

limited to 30 ft versus 31 ft that sort of you got to pick some well I'm comfortable with notion that we just you know indicate that that's State requir yeah it's not arbitrary although I understand your point that it is kind of arbitrary but they don't think it's arbitrary that sentence I'm fine with that I just I don't I I I I just caution that you don't continue to pursue affordable

housing options once you hit that 10% I think that was our concern because there is a greater need exactly and I just way you were talk I just got a little concern that you were you were going down that road I just want to be cous of that there is a great need for affordable housing not not that at all but at the same time you know we have a document thats everything

it's that is it's tough to write this document in silos as it is that is the biggest challenge of writing these plans is because there's so many issues that across housing economic development is a example those two Beed together but the way the the regulation is how we have to create true I do appreciate that all right Mr chairman when we um past couple is we have really madees with there yeah as far as size

subdivisions and so forth affordable so we actually probably going over that more than we don't we don't have requirement yet but um we are working on that the help of planners for Grant that's looking at regulations so um you know we are working on a draft of the Citywide zoning regulation have I I think perhaps a big part of is that um that guideline doesn't from a state stand standpoint doesn't have any teeth

behind um perhaps we should be getting more funding than you know municipalities that are not making effort to comply because otherwise you know I can see another plane board right down the road right um that they get to that number and then they where pass it go on to the next thing right um on you know makes us to be suffers right in that's it's concern also why legislative action

to always been probably one of higher performance in terms of supporting and seeing whole Housing Development now something in the in the action I cover that would be to say that the city of East Providence supports those initiatives those Statewide initiatives to make the load of modern housing um more sustain right that would probably that's probably what it's like myc in all this you why are we doing it when

they communities are their are handling different ways but I think from our perspective we're forward looking and I I mean there's that list that's in the plan there's a lot of those are a lot of units that are coming on online some of them have already

Square REM that sentence we remove sentence I think there's concern I I think that one said says a lot of underline stuff that's yeah I had one more this one one more F more okay um I I looked at our statement on trees and um I felt it was great but I was thinking that there's an opportunity for us for us to go a great step forward you I'm looking at um page scroll over

ahead and I follow the sentence at the bottom of the page where it says um in Rhode Island uh the ridm and why CCM have committing authority over activities bed in in in near Wetlands rivers and streams and Coastal have features like salt marsh Dunes Bluffs and beaches these regulations provide tools stud City can reference incorporate policy I then add a holy new program over the long term noting that

reforestation is the only proactive approach to reversing global warming at the local and state level some countries do re do reforestation the US Forest Service I some yes do reforestation the US Forest Service has been replanting um harvested Forest lands since the Advent of the multiple use sustained yield silver cultural practices of the 1960 but in Sun China leades the globe in acres of forest land restored and

reforest four and a half times more which in the next two countries combined which is India second and the United States third seven states have also varying reforestation regulations they are Alaska Maryland New Jersey Oregon and Washington Oh California IO um municipalities also establish reforestation programs and some of them are very close to home Massachusetts currently has Municipal reforestation

program under consideration for the city of Boston cities in Iowa have also reforested areas devastating by flooding and Cyclones and a city in IO replaced and abandoned the golf course um by uh by flooding against so okay with a forest so it can be concluded that reforestation is not on precedented or extra judicial and I have reference on that it's from new Lewis it's a San story on October 30th

2023 I I go into to include two different elements for reforestation and this is above and beyond our city trees program right um one of them is a mandate that developers when they cut down trees either replace the trees on site or provide funding to a city account so that the city can use that money forestation that's one element of it um the other element of it is that if you look at and I covered this

elsewhere in the draft um if you look at the amount of money that we put into City tree replanting right um the usual type of replanting that will do some kind of convert and it will be about ft High 17 ft high it's going to cost somewhere between 4400 $600 um you can buy you can look this up on the internet right now you can buy 30 Eastern White Pine seedless for like five

bucks right and if you're talking about from a standpoint of improving the city from environmental standpoint this is where you basically redo the carbon cyle and we know and it's mentioned it's mentioned already in the in plan that large parts of these problems were actually cleared by Native Americans in past Generations right but the level of clearage was nothing compared to what

we've done well we cleared whole just F they cleared the forest edges to give themselves a better opportunity for hunting right I mean they were simply different type of society right um so the opportunity is there it's very very inexpensive it's also the kind of project that would probably generate a significant amount of donation for the benefit of the city and Al other thing I was just mentioning with great

before um there are um there are force in Providence that if you look at the under story there's nothing but brush in order to set up success ession in your Forest um canopy you need to find shade tolerant trees like Eastern Hemlock like just to name one for Cedar right that can grow in the UND so that 30 years from now when the life expectancy of all of the Oaks and the Ash has long

passed you still have a forest you have growing for so I suggesting I'm recommending that we include that language in the plan right it's it's unusual it's not revolutionary right um like I say it's been undertaken at seven states in the country already individual municipality done it I think we would have to consider that the portion related to mandate upon developers that they rep

plan right that might very well require some kind ofing legislation take but I can't see where reforestation would so that's my proposal it's it's here in the document it to S several places um and we I would defer to Crystal we do mention a urban forestry management plan and that's and that's and it's not as in depth as you just wanted to I I think that stands by itself I think that's a very good plan

but it's a different this is a different type you use the same people I mean it's um we have our our conservation committee I in in how I wrote the enabling portion of it I figured well let's give it to those people right because it is an element of conservation so would this be on existing city land the reforestation it uh most usually would but it doesn't necessarily always have to be right um no there's by

the way there's also there's also some federal tax incentives I mean that can be that can be available so you Massachusetts as well Ahad of us in a lot programs and I know that you're they should and I know but they they have lot of money to dedicate to forestry and municipalities and all of that so there is sort of some some examples to look to and there

are like brid or Bridge a lot of in the Boston Metro communities they do forestry is urban forestry is becoming a huge need payment it absolutely is and and you know obviously I not CR forry um urban forestry is one element that and it's choosing the right trees like a whole science I get that and right um maybe there's a way to enhance I think we want to be this plan

want to be mind the level of detail that we put in it just to sort of take a step back and what are the important pieces that we can talk about here and sort of because those are the kinds of things that that's an action item the level of you know do research find examples you just have a right there that's actually the way I wrote it so I

mean I mean you can set the stage I think that's what you trying to can we sort of it is it is a need and we trying to incorporate it into a forestry management plan or developing ways to manage the city's existing conservation areas do just that or the parks know planting trees so there's I'm not I I'm trying to it's already a lot in here this is a big plan

and trying to manage the content of it and is there a way that we can sort of fold that into this Urban Forest section I know you talking about I put it on page 153 thinking of the regulations right we could easily move it but I think yeah I think the concept of it is when we receive uh coms that would be in there yeah and and one of the things

that I you know uh so so in order for everybody have the benefit of that they need to be able to see right it sounds to me like there are a great deal of of factual representations information included in the statement that you read that I while normous I wouldn't want to Simply value I would those types of repr presentations in my view would need to have been fully vetted and I don't know whether that's

an appropriate place to have that level of detail in but it's going to be important to hear back from as to whether or not they think that some of the factual representations are even ACC there's no way for me what you're saying value be 100% true but I would want professional people Ed that information I you know I had thought of adding BL points you know reference this that you here's the oran

law and and but then you know I say well you know it is right and and frankly getting the proposal out there and and like you say you know included as an added section you know in the C trees area um it accomplishes the same thing right and then you can use it we talk about know areas of the city that need more trees and that could it's just it enhances that discussion right but

trying to recognize that addition but sort of managing the content that we can put in the plan I I understand that but but it's supposed to take one one step forther um this is a 20-year plan y right they're working at so if we get those 2,000 SE close five bucks so if we get 30,000 Ste and you know obviously different species um by the time this plan is passed its

Deb those trees are going to be like 15 and and that's why it's a benefit and is an environmental benefit but it also would make us more green city which is you know why I put it there sure so thinking about implementation need someone to do that right so one of the one of our actions is to hire a city Forester yes right is that I'm sorry sorry we've pushing for that flagging

flag so that is like I mean I think there so that's why we have the high meting and low priorities yes it is a 20e plan but we need to to make progress can't just say Okay reforestation plan let's do it we need to have City needs capacity so let's start with hiring a city Forester and under their purview under the next one is a forestry management plan a restoration you know what I mean I think

you need to you sold so I think that's sort of how you know these are great ideas and it's important to have those big Ideas like that is so important but we also need to figure out how are we going to do it right I mean the city's already struggling to do some things we don't to add more work to somebody that's already you know how can we build capacity at the staff level and

that's a city forcer who are who's an arborist or has a degree in forestry or Sciences or something um I think that's the first step and you know and we don't have to include anything in everything it's nice to do that too um because we're always gonna find something that we miss like this if our this action plan doesn't that's just not all we're going to do there's always an opportunity that's going to come up

that we didn't think about before and we're going to seize it um so just because it's not listen doesn't mean it's not gonna happen um but we want to make sure we that Vision we want to reforest our city want to make it Greener um we want to make our residents healthier clean all of that and how we do that here are some examples of how we can do that it doesn't preclude us from

doing a reforestation land that's all I just than all right um I think everyone else all right let's put this way don't give me a second because I'll find we'll be back next B um any any other is that good for um you any other questions comments or want to address any aspects of this tonight okay so who who would like to be heard

first name certainly thank you Mr chairman Cy C East Pro resident 1340 Southway um I have uh not a thousand recommendations I have one which is simple substantive I believe um I discussed through email with the planning department about this I just wanted for the record of this meeting U the final plan final draft plan um on page 233 under the Waterfront mentions of General land uses with each of the Waterfront subd

districts at the bottom page of medic Comet it mentions that a per land use uh that language also appears in the East Province Revised Code ordinances section 19- 480 the use com a hotel those are both incorrect on July 20th 2021 when these provin city council met to um revise his ownes and amend the comprehensive plan they specifically said it specifically moved and passed unanimously an amendment of The

ordinance chapter 19472 subd district is article 9 amend the use tables under Hotel changing the use from additional to no so there's no Hotel there is no Hotel

such a large document that that end up being there I think in other places I saw waset need to come and I double check the use for the is a br corre we have a discussion fairly recently to make it itn't right sounds like you that appk I didn't but one one other one other two others are small things um small details in the existing comprehensive plan there's a historic Resources app that mentions the historic

Veterans Memorial Parkway that is not included in the draft I believe that in that in the corresponding map in the new draft the veterans M Parkway is not mentioned I think it should be the paragraph that was in the Box explains the V Mark way the old 2010 2015 there's like narrative that kind of talks about that that's part way I didn't write down which map it was I'm sorry

resources V Parkway is there and again I didn't put the exact map in the draft but it's not there um secondly under Recreation recreational aspirations the at the time three 18 Hotel courses amended in the existing comprehensive plan as assets that should really be considered and protected as but um now there are two 18old Al courses in the city and I didn't see any mention of them but that's still

important important to community whether it's important for the comprehensive plan I'm not sure I just want to mention so it's the no Hotel the veteran Parkway it's the the importance of the 18old golf coures for recreational activ thank you very much for your thank you

I'm just making a note yes y' welcome Kim Francis I have been reading about the transportation connectivity section and I will say my opinion great job really great job um I have not seen a more thorough plan done by a small City like this so I really do appreciate every put into it work on sounds like sounds like you did a lot of um on page 85 we talk about principal part

perod list Anders brid Memorial the streets the one thing that I have as a as kind of an issue is that out of all of those things H and Bridge and V Memorial the only ones with no crosswalks there's no crosswalks from the beginning to the end personally I have been affected by this I have a cousin who got hit by a car the street I see dead deer I see dead this did that

not as much deer anymore because of all the construction um but it's it's dramatic as fast as people drive on that road I can't get from my house to the bike path without walking in the street and stopping traffic and it's that bad so I would like to propose that somewhere in this document we talk about pedestrian safety and push it to the higher priority so as we develop the east side of Memorial

Parkway is going to be we know there 100 houses or thousand houses I know yet those people are going to have to cross the street to get into the bike PA the people on the bike path are going to R across the street to get to the golf course whatever else is on the Otherside stores or whatever we need to make Aion I'm not sure where in here we prioritize that prior there's not a crosswalk

anywhere beginning there are some lights at the entrance

TOS the problem is that it's curvy com around someone's in the street may not be able toop I almost got hit myself one time yeah there's a couple places where you imagine that it fit in pretty you know so you know just for the people who are especially on the east side that who want to use the bik but don't want to drive to the bike path that kind of

makes that so that's kind of my initial point my only other initial point is a little as a pedestrian pedestrian fine but it's it's a bridge so I get it you have to have a some kind of sidewalk but veterans has grass on has all kinds of things that we could do either tables or little Bounty things and I know it's a state doing add crosswalk what is that process the proc well I mean it's a

state roadway so once it's you know when they're doing improvements that's when you sort of get it in their ear I me Jim's nodding his head but that's what you do like you um you know if they're going to resurface or that would require a light I just because you bring that up and now I'm thinking of even that new way to get to the behind in Kettle point you that little so now there's even more

desire probably to go over there like that would be an ideal but even that at line up is pretty it's a straightway and people are gunning it yeah it's just it's just and with the additional development and then the other side of Waterfront that will happen eventually too whenever where it's been cleared years ago eventually that will so it's a great I yeah I just it's great yeah wherever we put that as a priority my

suggestion was the developers need to kick in some kind of addition plan to be sure you can cross that road don't I think it is I mean we do mention roads that um we that have concerns um I don't see any reason why we couldn't add it I know that in the I'll just say in Providence like on the they put in temporary speed bumps yeah the little the little

bumpy on Main Street which I cross that all the time it's a nice and they have crosss they have cross so it might be difficult because it is still with or without the bridge it's a major feed to 195 you know it's what takes you all the way to the end and in now whether or not that stays I don't know but because you have that kind of traffic um I don't

know if you want to slow it down but I think there gonna be a way to put I'm So we are sub is B there we have a transportation consultant on this and I could touch base with them on just if it's just highlighting it as an issue yeah and I can talk with the Department thank you for that and you might want to say also you mentioned that it is State yep yes good point

that just imps yeah say that one going on is development Transportation traffic that Park is very much big part what's being reviewed by the Water Commission okay and that is not finalized the ter of what is going to happen so the act from water trans perspective whether or not something like a crosswalk additional crosswalks would be yeah I would think that like you know making it a prority

for all the hes that are going to be in there be able bike path would be pretty

signant as the final changes they listen to highways they provide their advis to ride out and right up a great deal scenic highway just a couple things of general interest cities du to there's currently A Safe Streets for all Transportation plan being developed now if actually is taking a lead and they're doing it for different communities across the state so they're working on a Citywide plan to

enhance Transportation safety in the city and there's actually online ser now that they're doing they get people's input as to what they think Transportation issues are in the city and what might be done I don't know the specific website off the top of my head but just SE down in the lobby when you're going out there are brochures on the cable there ss4a and just stop there a little

QR code you can scan there some card thing down there too that's something there will eventually a Citywide plan to try to see what we can do to address some of the transportation safy issues and another thing is the Citywide bike and pedestrian plan that we're just starting to do to help the state Grant so um that's just getting underway but there'll be different public input opportunities for that

also they'll be ongoing for like next year and a half or so as that consultant uh look at that that ways to better connect to the east east B bike path and whatever other connection might be it is mentioned but very vaguely page 279 the action items it says to identify needs from priority priority code with the installation of new curving sidewalks and safety enhancements um throughout the city that's you know

cross proberbly should stand but other the other part is Medi priority and I think shouldi so perhaps we can up that maybe maybe it has to do with the speed of the volume of the road too some small Ro to some of the comprehensive plan and you don't want to get too specific right because do then you kind of yourself in so you leave sometimes things a little more open so have

to ro kind of have that decision process I just want to thank so made the transition from metac com to links and I'm just real disappointed that we lost the M me um because that is the history of these Pro and not only that a you know Native American figure so I don't know if there's any way that the B Comet name can be reattached to that space it's probably out of our right now

thank you hello I'm Peggy McKenna on suav on page 186 there's um the table for identified flood Hazard areas and I'm requesting that the intersection of Sutton a and Irving AED as well as Alexander a and TW a at cor Street all those are flooded and traffic has to stop 186 yes table CC1 173

py did I speak to you on phone this morning I was Wonder that's correct yeah and I took detailed notes of everything that said I for it to the planning director we be sharing that with and it was kind of disappointing to not see it because I I did contact I did email or fill out a questionnaire with the Department of Public Works and I never heard anything back so I appreciate you emailed me right

back so just those three that I know of but it's flooded for years the last storm we had I stepped off my back you did you see the photos did you I stepped off my back deck in my backyard to anking water the storm we had last year I went down to my basement it looked like I If there was fishes out there basement windows and Irving Tor a and cor Street and

Alexander and those are roots that the department and the rescue to go to thank you you talk about climate change and how rain events are we're getting more we're going to have more rain yeah well it's getting more severe we've always had the flooding I grew up in the house I live in y we've always had the flooding but now it's yeah we're getting more rain I think you're going to see

more areas that will flood that never fled before that's the other but my house in my neighbor's house we're surrounded if you need more I got more on the news now too um I more of a general question first I want to thank everybody because I think the experience of PL is wonderful it um this is a general question If a person or a group of people are attempting to build a project

that will have a zoning change I go against the proposed comprehensive Plan before the plan is in approved is there anything to stop that

project I'm trying to keep this you know 500 foot than okay so um if people are attempting to build a project that probably entails a zoning change as it is for plan now and against a comprehensive Plan before the plan is approved is there anything to stop project is it against the old or new conference plan or both I know it's against the new one I believe that one of the people

involved said that it is zone Green now it is zone Green now it's it's a and of building so Mr chairman traditionally ma'am these um projects come before our board to see the consistency with the comprehensive plan whether it be the 2010 which we're working on now um and it appears that we probably won't have the new one completely done until it gets submitted to the state correct so

you probably looking at the beginning next year City so traditionally a project would come before this for and we would make sure it's consistent with Comprehensive plan if there's a lot of public pressure to have project done um I in my 12 years I've never seen that here sitting in the seat I have I have a person I wouldn't and I know the chair he been 20 years uh he would know we

would never allow that there no pressure to us we kind of look at each one individual and think our our staff is great some gentlemen here have been here for a long time and their work really makes our work easy because they do all the hard work we get recommendations and so forth and so I hope that answers your question another thing that developer might do is if that's the case they

could also petition to change the future land use map of the comprehensive plan so that their their proposal would be consistent so that's that's something else they could do and then Bo in the city to be that we're not in favor project mind right okay thank you

welcome once only twice okay so that was great you any anything else you want night sounds like we reached some consensus this meeting weight you available yes okay and it would be very helpful if you had been able to take a look at Mr subst one on the reforestation program um and then the rest of the board members will had access at that point to to CH so the only so would you require a

new document from Monday night from 26 from you no I think at this point we just want to know what people what propos it' be helpful to know what know consult have to say about these various proposals including the point the I me those edial Chang can the flood zones anything that is a good idea that hasn't been previously thought of like includ it sure if there's you know it's an appropriate place to

include aspirational statement regarding the inclusion of parway that sure sounds a good two points I we can address and I think like I don't think there was anything that came that was in no I mean so in theory we can put from I just would be able to produce a new track by no no I wouldn't expect you to I think we vote on I think we vote on on strategic day right that would probably

be good okay so just doing a list of all the changes that had come out from the public comment and from the board and just have that inventory for you you all to confirm that we're putting all the right pieces in we could do that yeah yeah so having said that Mr chairman I'd like to make a motion to table the recommendation of 20124 East Provence comprehensive plan for city council adoption until August 26 next week

second that it is a public hearing now so so by Public Announcement to make sure continuing public yeah I'll do that by public pronouncement I think that covers okay so the motion was to table uh an advisory recommendation to councel uh until next Monday we will Rec considerer the the issue motion made by Mr by Mr discussion hearing none and all those in favor please say I I have and for the benefit of the public

I'll I'll now a public announcement that this meeting will be uh consideration of this agenda item will be AED this evening and it will be taken up again a week from night at 7:00 same thank thank you everyone coming out